# Empty consumer group with no id
**URL:** https://forum.confluent.io/t/empty-consumer-group-with-no-id/5195
**Category:** Clients
**Created:** [3 June 2022 01:43 UTC](https://forum.confluent.io/t/empty-consumer-group-with-no-id/5195 "2022-06-03T01:43:32Z")
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### Author:  [@lucasprograms](https://forum.confluent.io/u/lucasprograms)
#### Post date: [3 June 2022 01:43 UTC](https://forum.confluent.io/t/empty-consumer-group-with-no-id/5195/1 "2022-06-03T01:43:32Z")
In a kafka cluster running on confluent cloud I have a number of consumers. When I make a GET request to `{confluentUrl}/kafka/v3/clusters/{cluster_id}/consumer-groups`, one of the consumer groups has the following properties:
```auto
"consumer_group_id": "",
"is_simple": true,
"partition_assignor": "",
"state": "EMPTY",
```
Everything in the cluster appears to be functioning fine, but I am concerned about this consumer group. It is subscribed to a topic, and is ~100000 messages behind.
How does something like this happen? Is it possible to delete this consumer group?
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### Author:  [@riferrei](https://forum.confluent.io/u/riferrei)
#### Post date: [3 June 2022 15:41 UTC](https://forum.confluent.io/t/empty-consumer-group-with-no-id/5195/2 "2022-06-03T15:41:58Z")
This seems to be a consumer group created once but whose threads never finished joining. You can easily delete this consumer group using the `kafka-consumer-groups.sh` utility. But first, check if there are no client threads for it:
```auto
kafka-consumer-groups.sh \
--bootstrap-server \
--command-config consumer.properties \
--group \
--describe \
--members
```
If there are none (likely) then you can delete the consumer group:
```auto
kafka-consumer-groups.sh \
--bootstrap-server \
--command-config consumer.properties \
--group \
--delete \
```
— @riferrei